I do have to wonder if they'd let me considering what happened last time. [ i.e. he got arrested once for breaking into jail, so would they just go "no" next time? ] There has to be a better way in. That's what we should focus on, and see what other people might be able to do. Even if it's not the jail...we should start prioritizing looking through the city for anything unusual.
[ this is all kind of big-brain stuff but at the same time he does seem to understand what she's saying. he nods along, letting her talk as he sorts through the info. ]
Makes sense. If people knew you were poking around in their subconscious they'd probably be pretty mad and you wouldn't be able to get the information you needed in the first place. Is a somnium the same every time you go into it? Like if you leave and then you want to find an answer to a different question.
[ ... ] I guess it doesn't matter here, I was just wondering. It sounds a little similar to how our dreams work, sometimes. Sometimes when we dream we end up seeing other things that are happening in the real world, and we can learn information that way. And other times we're the ones entering dreams and manipulating a few things to get different results. Yours is a whole other level of stuff.
I didn't get thrown in jail. I could just say I'm taking you on a tour to keep you on the straight and narrow.
[ heh. hello i'm taking my child for a tour so he doesn't get another overnight stay in a jail cell. ]
They have to sign a waiver. Or at least we normally get permission. It looks pretty bad if you say no mid murder investigation. [ ... ] I haven't actually gone into the same person's somnium twice...? But it wouldn't necessarily be the same next time you go in. Just like you can't guarantee you'll pick up a dream if you wake up and go to sleep again. So, we have to get through all a person's mental locks before we run out of time.
It's a similar principle, honestly. Nothing we collect can be used as evidence in court, as it's influenced -- like, someone might picture themselves as a murderer in their Somnium because they failed to help someone who died, not because they're actually a killer. But it can lead us down a path we wouldn't have thought of, or give us a clue that we wouldn't have thought of.
Like a field trip. [ that might work actually, but he's distracted once again. ]
...yeah it's kind of what I was saying last weekend about our phones. If you don't have anything to hide, why refuse the check? [ he says, as someone who regularly refuses strip check. ] What's the time limit before you can't be there anymore? I'm...going to guess it's bad if you go past it. For them and for you.
It's unconventional but it sounds useful for at least knowing where you should look next. As long as person doesn't figure out how to purposefully mislead you guys in a somnium.
[ … ] Well, I do get the phone thing. If you had embarrassing photos or messages from someone you like, that kind of thing. But you should be able to oversee someone snooping through it, if only to potentially warn them if they’re about to come across a lingerie picture.
Six minutes. That’s the official line — it’s a hard limit in practice, but reality’s a little different. It all came out a few years ago internally what happens if you stay in a somnium for longer than six to eight minutes.
People don’t remember their somnium. Their own mental defences make it difficult, but they can’t stop you from digging. It’ll just be trickier and more aggressive towards you if they’re determined to hide something.
[ nico, a boy who truly never thought about anything like that: what would even be considered embarrassing. and then tama says that and he just kind of closes his eyes. ]
I should hope that if people are sending lewd photos and messages they would know how to move them to a separate folder. [ dry. he does not want to perceive. ] But fair enough.
...it sounds like it could be easy to get lost in there if you're exploring and trying to find something without knowing where to look. No wonder it's a very specialized thing. Too bad there isn't anything similar we can do here to try and delve into the minds of possible suspects but maybe that's really for the better.
[ never mind now he's staring at her and he just decides to drop the topic because thinking about possibly running into someone else's nudes is a literal nightmare, actually. ]
Anyway. [ gods. ] ...being here and having to do everything like this must be driving you crazy. Like everything feels a little backwards.
[ i'm not going to respond to this or what he thinks of tama's life advice rn. ]
I imagine having your own autonomy to move around and be able to examine and experience things on your own has had its ups and downs. Worth it in the end?
If that's a thing you like, then yeah. I'd say that's a good enough payoff. [ he gets there are details, complicated, to these things but he respects her enough not to push. ]
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I do have to wonder if they'd let me considering what happened last time. [ i.e. he got arrested once for breaking into jail, so would they just go "no" next time? ] There has to be a better way in. That's what we should focus on, and see what other people might be able to do. Even if it's not the jail...we should start prioritizing looking through the city for anything unusual.
[ this is all kind of big-brain stuff but at the same time he does seem to understand what she's saying. he nods along, letting her talk as he sorts through the info. ]
Makes sense. If people knew you were poking around in their subconscious they'd probably be pretty mad and you wouldn't be able to get the information you needed in the first place. Is a somnium the same every time you go into it? Like if you leave and then you want to find an answer to a different question.
[ ... ] I guess it doesn't matter here, I was just wondering. It sounds a little similar to how our dreams work, sometimes. Sometimes when we dream we end up seeing other things that are happening in the real world, and we can learn information that way. And other times we're the ones entering dreams and manipulating a few things to get different results. Yours is a whole other level of stuff.
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[ heh. hello i'm taking my child for a tour so he doesn't get another overnight stay in a jail cell. ]
They have to sign a waiver. Or at least we normally get permission. It looks pretty bad if you say no mid murder investigation. [ ... ] I haven't actually gone into the same person's somnium twice...? But it wouldn't necessarily be the same next time you go in. Just like you can't guarantee you'll pick up a dream if you wake up and go to sleep again. So, we have to get through all a person's mental locks before we run out of time.
It's a similar principle, honestly. Nothing we collect can be used as evidence in court, as it's influenced -- like, someone might picture themselves as a murderer in their Somnium because they failed to help someone who died, not because they're actually a killer. But it can lead us down a path we wouldn't have thought of, or give us a clue that we wouldn't have thought of.
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...yeah it's kind of what I was saying last weekend about our phones. If you don't have anything to hide, why refuse the check? [ he says, as someone who regularly refuses strip check. ] What's the time limit before you can't be there anymore? I'm...going to guess it's bad if you go past it. For them and for you.
It's unconventional but it sounds useful for at least knowing where you should look next. As long as person doesn't figure out how to purposefully mislead you guys in a somnium.
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[ … ] Well, I do get the phone thing. If you had embarrassing photos or messages from someone you like, that kind of thing. But you should be able to oversee someone snooping through it, if only to potentially warn them if they’re about to come across a lingerie picture.
Six minutes. That’s the official line — it’s a hard limit in practice, but reality’s a little different. It all came out a few years ago internally what happens if you stay in a somnium for longer than six to eight minutes.
People don’t remember their somnium. Their own mental defences make it difficult, but they can’t stop you from digging. It’ll just be trickier and more aggressive towards you if they’re determined to hide something.
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I should hope that if people are sending lewd photos and messages they would know how to move them to a separate folder. [ dry. he does not want to perceive. ] But fair enough.
...it sounds like it could be easy to get lost in there if you're exploring and trying to find something without knowing where to look. No wonder it's a very specialized thing. Too bad there isn't anything similar we can do here to try and delve into the minds of possible suspects but maybe that's really for the better.
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Yeah, but you'd name it something like "Weekend at the Spa" not "nsfw do not interact" because that's like a beacon. People will interact.
[ life advice. ]
Ish? You can be force ejected at any point, so it's not so bad. It just means you lose the lead.
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Anyway. [ gods. ] ...being here and having to do everything like this must be driving you crazy. Like everything feels a little backwards.
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It's weird, but when you don't have a choice you get used to it. Having a body as its perks.
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I imagine having your own autonomy to move around and be able to examine and experience things on your own has had its ups and downs. Worth it in the end?
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[ and a number of other things but--
y'know. details. complicated. ]
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If that's a thing you like, then yeah. I'd say that's a good enough payoff. [ he gets there are details, complicated, to these things but he respects her enough not to push. ]